Summertime Mini-Series Episode 2: Enneagram and Traveling

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Going Scared podcast. This is your host, Jessica Honegger, founder of the World Changing Brand Noonday Collection. Join me here every week for conversations that encourage you to live a life of purpose by leaving comfort and "going scared". If you joined us here last week, then you know we are doing a summer mini-series that highlights all things Enneagram. Last week was an introduction to our nine member panel where we were introduced to everyone's Enneagram journey. But this week we're talking Enneagram with regard to one of my all-time favorite topics, which is travel. Guys, I love to travel. If you're new around here, I founded a global accessories brand with artisans from all over the world, Noonday Collection. So, travel is my middle name and especially in as we are actually traveling again, I'm just I'm getting a lot of life. Like I just planned a last-minute trip to Mexico. I had some travel vouchers. The kids were at grandparent camp. And I texted my husband and I said, honey, and he is an Enneagram 1, okay? So, spontaneity is not his middle name. But I texted him and I said, "Babe, I want to give you some time to process this, but I'm taking you to Mexico on Saturday morning". And I didn't hear back from him from a few hours, which is fine. I was expecting it and by the time I heard back, he said, "Sounds great, babe". And let me tell you, we had the most incredible time because ones on vacation become sevens. And I call him Vacation Joe. And we went scuba diving. I mean, we just did all these amazing things. So travel is on my mind all the time. I'm already planning another trip. And so I realized this is kind of hilarious because I was really curious about how Enneagram numbers approach travel. And then as I'm asking people, I'm realizing what people don't even think about travel, but that's okay. I'm a seven and we're going to have fun with it, so stick around here about how each number vacations. We are going to talk about vacation, and I just feel like it's so telling. And my goal really for this podcast series is that our listeners will just be able to identify with one of the "us" in their everyday experience and they'll go just like Myquillyn, Oh, I'm not weird, I'm not different than everybody else, you know, I, I'm understood. And, and so, so that's why I thought we'd start with something that is a bit pragmatic. But I do believe our Enneagram number influences our ideal vacation, how we go about planning vacations, how we are on vacation. And I'll start because I'm the seven and we are all about vacations. We are always planning our next vacation. In fact, I went to bed last night looking on Airbnb for two vacations that I'm literally in the process of planning. But what's interesting, I think as because sevens care so much about optionality, it can actually be really stressful and we're so afraid to commit. Literally when booking plane tickets. I have loved it. I can't tell you my stress level, how much it's gone down since COVID, and airplanes, the way their policies are around changing tickets because I love changing my tickets. I love having the freedom to change my ticket. But in the past, that was really expensive. It could often be really expensive unless it's Southwest, let's face it. So I would actually go to my husband or my assistant or my business partner or whoever is around when I'm booking a flight and I'm like, can you make sure this is actually correct? Did I get the right, you know, time, the right date? Because that has happened to me a lot. And then just even pushing that like, okay, complete your purchase thing really, really can stress me out. But as I'm planning something, what really matters to me is I can base whole vacations off of the place where we're going to stay. I love being able, like we've done that before. I found this glass cabin. I had no idea where it was. We didn't really know where it was until we got there. But I thought, that is so epic. It's a glass cabin in the Pacific Northwest and you can literally see through it. And we went there without even knowing anything about the little island that it's on. Even Scott, who's spent many years in this Pacific Northwest, is like, I don't even know that island. Hidalgo, what are you talking about? So the place, the how I'm going to feel when I'm in the place and the experience. And I also I literally need it to be wide open. I just spent a few days in Colorado, and I was in a valley for six days and I actually felt trapped. And it was the most epic, beautiful, gorgeous place. And where one day we rode horses and it's when we got out of the valley and got to just be in this wide open. So I actually before I even book a place, I have to make sure I position myself there and I go, okay, how am I going to feel? Is this going to feel open and free to me? And then once I'm on vacation, the things that can be stressful for me is I will just start planning, you know? Even if I already had a plan ahead of time of what we're going to do, I will begin to change that plan because I want to optimize the fun. And so it's like, oh my gosh, I didn't know there were surf lessons here, so we got to do surfing. And oh my gosh, I didn't know that we were right by a jungle. I mean, in 2018 or 2019, the last time I was doing a lot of international travel, I planned a trip to India and then I literally said, Oh my gosh, India is right next to Nepal. We have artisans in Nepal. I have to go to Nepal. So I booked to Nepal and then got to Nepal and I thought, Oh my God, we're so close to Thailand and I've got artisans in Thailand, I've always wanted to meet up. And then I went to Thailand and then I'm literally on the phone with my husband. I'm like, Babe, I'm so close to Australia. I've never been there before. I mean, you realize it is like a three hour plane flight. And thankfully my husband, he is such a unique Enneagram because he, I don't receive judgment from him ever, he and that's what the power of the Enneagram is he creates space for me to just dream and go through all my options without judgment. But it always ends up usually going back with the original plan or it's like, you know, I'm such a time optimist. And so he'll let me talk through the five things and we end on the one, but he did prevent me from going to Australia. But I have to say where that ended me up, the irony of it all, is in 2020 I went to an executive coach and talking through priorities, and I was exhausted. You know, I was really exhausted from having packed in that much. And our big moment that we came up with was that I was going to start working from home more. Yeah, that was in December of 2019.

Well, guess what? We all got to start working from home, and I've been working from home now for two years and now that things are opening back up. I have traveled six times and I'm planning two trips, so I need to be really aware of that as things are opened up, my tendency and it's crazy because at the time. I feel very sure of this plan and how it's absolute going to work. I mean, two weeks ago I decided I'm going to Ecuador and Peru. In June, we are going to do some hats from Ecuador. I am having problems connecting the artists and I speak Spanish. I can go there and it's as if that is absolutely going to happen. I've looked at plane tickets and everything else and then I'll go through a week of maybe just doing a lot and I'll get to that week and I'm like, I can't even believe I thought that I was just going to go off to Ecuador and Peru in June. So my growth edge is really discerning what is enough. And building in those places of rest for myself and that has been the gift for me of the last two years, is so many options were taken away. And I can tell you, I've been on the biggest growth journey the last two years, probably the biggest of my life. And I have a new contentedness and I used to think I was actually a four because envy is a big thing for me, but even that, I just am feeling present. And with. And my plans aren't coming from fear of missing out or necessarily anxiety of being stuck at home. But I have to really discern that. I have to be careful about that. But I do love vacation and we are going back to the glass cabin this summer because it's so epic! And then we are going to Canada, where we're going to go whitewater rafting and downhill biking and horseback riding. So I do love adventuring with my family. It's really fun. So I don't know, Suzanne, if you want to say that this has anything to do with types, but I feel like it does.

It absolutely does. I just wrote down, "Suzanne, you never used the words epic or optimize", like those words never come out of my mouth. And then I thought, what if I was going to try to put them in our vacation plans? I thought, yeah, no, no, it's not going to fit. So you've come up with a very good question.

Vacation. My kids learning to say, don't say epic again.

Oh, thank you. Start saying it. I'm just going to. It's fine out there. I don't think it's going to be for me. I think Joel is going to say that is not the appropriate use of that word.

I love that. I love that.

Okay, Jen, we are going to start with you because, girl, this is where this is where I did think you were a seven because you can vacation like nobody's business.

Mhm? I know. I wanted to be. I think this is me trying to be a seven. I take trips to turn myself into a seven. I'm interesting. You know, the Enneagram, there's a lot of room for nuance inside the Enneagram because I am a three, but I'm introverted, which is a strange combination. It's a weird bedfellow. When I vacation, I want to not be on. Absolutely not. I want to be off O-F-F. I want everything off. And so I don't like I don't vacation like you do, Jess. I don't ever like to pack my days. I don't like to be overscheduled. I don't even I like I. That's a trip. I like a vacation. And so but I think where my three shows up inside of it is that I want the whole thing to be the best. I don't necessarily want it to be busy, but I want it to be the best. So I overthink. Where are we staying? Is the flight optimized to use Suzanne's brand new word? Where are our seats? Where are we going to eat? Like, what's the food sitch? I want every layer of the trip to be like Gold Star, right?

Let me ask you this really quick while it's popping into my mind. The biggest telltale sign for me of a three is often how much they contain the different people in their lives. You know, you've got these people and they don't interact. You don't like to mesh them. So what's that like for you when you're doing friend trips? And battling through. Who am I going to take? Who's it going to be with?

Hmm? I don't. That's not really the way I operate in the world. However, like, I'm deeply committed to my social groups. Deeply. But they are self-contained. They're encapsulated. This is my one group that I live by. These are my best friends that we all live in the same neighborhood. These are my best author friends and colleagues. And these are my supper club friends like. And they're all enormously precious to me. My daughter, Sydney is always like, Mom, stop saying you love everyone. You can't nobody can love as many people as you say you love like a best friend. Don't tell me what I can do, child. I know what you're saying. I don't. Those groups don't have a ton of crossover, but I love to vacation with people, you know? I take trips with friends all the time. And so, you know, I don't I don't Enneagram Three my vacations in terms of being controlling, I love to plug in to somebody else's plan and just say, "take my money". Like, so I think I have a certain vacation mode that belies my number. But it's also because when I'm in my three life, I work so hard and nonstop. And so there's a healthy part of me that can unplug. I can do it. Maybe I maybe not once upon a time. But I don't bring my laptop. I'm off. Jess, you've said this before. When I'm having fun, when I'm with my friends, when I'm on vacation, I don't have my phone out ever, ever it's gone, I don't even know where it is. I think maybe that's come from just some work in my life. But I'll tell you what. I want a good trip. If that's three ish, then sign me up. If we're going to go to a Broadway show, I want good seats, right? I want to see the inside of my hotel room with one of those 360 apps.

You want to be invited to the green room. You don't just want good seats. You want to go backstage.

Exactly right. I want to see if I can use my phone to become friends with the principal lead of whatever show I'm going to see and then take them to dinner afterwards. So I think that's probably real three energy right there. And I do it. I do. It works. It works. That's how I got to be friends with Chris Jackson, who was the original George Washington in Hamilton. I made him my friend through Twitter, and now I've invited him over to my porch for cheeseburgers. So, I do that. I'm gonna do that till I'm dead.

Okay. I'm going to ask you to pick your ideal vacation.

Oh.

Like where? Where is it?

My ideal vacation is not busy. Like I said, I want a lot of downtime built in. I want to basically want to eat. I want to go. I want to fly somewhere, and I want to eat their food.

So, city?

Yeah. I'm probably somewhere exotic. Like, the most beautiful place I have ever set foot in my entire life is Santorini in Greece. And so being in a beautiful place, that's its own entertainment for me, with the delicious food and wine. That's it. I could live there. I say it all the time. I could live here. And so and I don't want a lot of hustle and bustle. I'll send you right out the door Jess go do it. Go do your things. Go do all your things, optimize your time. So it's so epic. I'm going to be back here with a book sitting in the window seat and a glass of wine eating the local tomatoes. So that's how I'm going to do it.

Which are so delicious. Okay, Scott, what about you, a four?

Well, I guess there could be, like, generalizations of fours. I, I know there's a few others with little kids. I mean, I have a toddler still, so. I mean, I've wiped a butthole twice today, so, like. What are you talking about? Vacations. Like, what's it? I haven't been away from children for cause we have no parental help. So, you know, like, I. I don't know. So, yeah, I want. I mean, I like to check out. I want things to be good. I want to be inspired by the place. I want to eat good food. I want to have an authentic experience. My mother-in-law is like, let's go on a cruise. I'm like that doesn't sound authentic at all. Like, I don't know, I want like the I want the rare, the people, I don't want the over commercialized, although I'm a big Disney fan. So I will do Disneyland, Disneyworld every single time. So there you go. Because I think it's a level of creativity and intentionality in those parks that I really like. So that's really I mean, I'm very not independent right now. So I think my the amount of effort that is needs to be put into maintaining the lives of small kids maybe supersedes my four desires.

It's a natural constraint. However, you do travel a lot considering, and you travel with them considering how young they are.

Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I might go more towards seven in the way of like, let's do some things. Let's do some things for sure.

So you really do? Yeah. I love vacation with my four friends. They're also always up for anything that goes on really well with me.

Yes. Let's do it. Almost.

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Myquillyn, what about you? Five.

Hi! Yes, as a five. Well, first of all, I'm married to a nine. His spiritual gift is planning vacations.

Oh, wonderful.

I do nothing. I just show up and follow like a zombie, which is the dream. So I don't have to plan anything. So I have four things to say about vacations. One, my kids are all grown. So as they were growing up, something that we did to like because Chad wants to go a new place in a new city and I want to go to the same place every year we did every other year where we would go somewhere new. And then the next year, especially when your kids are little, you just you want to know where they can ride bikes and where you're going to eat pizza. And then the next year we would go to the same exact state in the same spot. So that was really helpful for them when they were younger. We also learned that our family as a whole is so much better with recreation instead of amusement. So unlike Scott, we did Disneyworld one year and my little kids are they're all they were all bored old men. They were like, why are there so many babies who are crying? Why are there so many people here? And we spent the last day in the room. I mean, at the pool and in the room, just no it was not happening for them at all. So we learned this. We do national parks and stuff like that. The other thing we've learned is that where we stay, the actual VRBO, the hotel room, whatever it is, it has to feel like part of the vacation so that if we're home for the day, which me and one of our sons always needs a break in the middle of the day and it's like, shame free, everyone else stays out. But we can come back and not feel like we're in a generic place. So we feel like, Oh, we're on the Yellowstone River. Oh, works for in New York, we're downtown and we can see things and order food or whatever. And that's been really, really great just for the different personalities in our family. It appeases everyone. And then lastly, if I come home and I feel like I need a vacation, then my vacation was all wrong for me.

That's every single trip you take with young children, by the way.

Scott. Scott, you can come to our pool any time, you know that. Come vacation.

Sure. You know, we have a pool, too, so.

But someone else's pool is a lot better than your own.

Your will you lifeguard?

Yes.

Great.

I will do that. I was saying you come to our pool.

Oh, me?

Leave your children at home. That is my point.

Yeah. Okay, great.

Okay. Ashton, what about you?

So we I grew up going on massive family vacations that just ended up I am the oldest of six kids as a little bit of a back story. So we have a football team and both my dad's side, both the grandparents, like everybody came, which is great. Like looking back on it, I see like what a huge privilege that was to be able to have that, but growing up it was very stressful. Everybody by the end of the trip, they were at each other's throats like nobody was having a good time. And so as I've become an adult, my ideal like vacation is where I don't have to do anything once I get there. However, getting there, I have to know everything. I need to know where we're going, what we're doing, how we're going to be staying is going to be staying with us down to like and like Jen said, with food and stuff. Like, I need to know where we're eating, what we're doing. We were going to Florida one year and I was like, They don't have the water I want. And my husband was literally ready to kill me because I made him bring in water because I needed specific water and I knew they weren't going to have it. And he was like, It's water, like get it out of the faucet. And I was like, I don't like swamp water. I'm okay. And so just those like levels of preparing because I know once I get there, if I don't have like this checkmark box of things that I need, I'm not going to be able to enjoy it. Once we get there, I want to be left alone. I don't want to do anything. I have a really hard time unplugging from work with my job being social. I feel like I have to always be available, always be posting, always be interacting, doing things, or it will affect me or it will affect like the business aspect. So I've been trying to really learn how to pull away from that and not feel like I need to go to that three, like the unhealthy side of the six and want to just work, work, work, work, work and overachieve and just be okay that it's like you can take three days and not do anything or you can step back for a week and like the world is not going to burn down. For some reason I feel like it is if I'm not there. And that might be like a fear of missing out aspect of the seven wing I do not have, but I would like to pretend that I did. I would like to think that I'm fun. But I'm not I'm not fun like that. I'm just not. I would love to be, like, super. Spontaneous and like fly by the seat of my pants. And that's just it's never going to happen. My poor husband will be like, we're going on a weekend trip. And I'm like, I would rather just crawl in a hole. Like, I'm not going on a trip without any kind of planning or knowing what's going on. So with that, my ideal vacation that we want to go to Iceland, like I want to go places and explore things and do stuff that I need to be able to prepare for that ahead of time. So I say, we're going to Iceland, but it's going to take me a year to get prepared to go to Iceland, if that makes sense. So that that's kind of what I've seen with my Enneagram type is that once I'm there, I'm good as long as I was able to prepare ahead of time and I know exactly what's going on and it doesn't have to be a schedule. I don't want a schedule of like 9 a.m. We're going on this journey and we're doing this. I just want to know, like, we're somewhere familiar. We know what's around us, we know what's happening, and we can kind of make our own schedule. But it's a schedule that I know what I like to be in control and that time aspect.

That makes a lot of sense for me as you're coming from that six perspective. Thank you for that.

Sam ...

Hello. Okay, so I'm on vacation now, which I think will help me answer this, but I will say as an eight, I'm a little confusing on vacation because I bounce back and forth between especially as an eight, seven wing spontaneity. And then no schedule and then schedule and then without. But I want to read something that I Googled about eights and I love this on vacation with more energy than any other Enneagram type eight take on a vacation full throttle with zest and eight loves camaraderie. This, in their practical, creative nature that gets things done, makes them ideal travel companions. So the full throttle language is very important to me. It also resonates with me at the highest level. And I'll just put it like this because I can go either way. I can be 100% like, Let's go, or I can just be wide open. But I will tell you, it doesn't matter what vacation we go on. The justice in me rises up like never before. What is the seat that we're going to have in the restaurant? The type of room that, okay, this is what we ordered versus what we actually got. I'm going to be the one driving it because this is the one experience and this is the story. So we're in Jamaica. Now, we went to Jamaica before. Let me tell you why we're back in Jamaica, because the first time we went, someone else planned it. And when we left, I said we didn't do Jamaica right. We didn't do Jamaica right. We have to go to Jamaica, which I control again, full throttle optimizing experience this is the seven. This is the seven wing coming out. Like this time we're going. So I call my Jamaican friend. He's from Jamaica. I said, listen, you've got family everywhere in Jamaica. Where do we go? I cannot lose on Jamaica. It's the babymoon. Tony loves food. We need to make this happen. He gave me three resorts. I said, Tell me the top one. He gave me the top one. And here we are. We pulled up on the property and I said, we did it. Jamaica is here and we've done it right. And I am making sure we have everything that we need. If Toni even mentions how I thought we were going to have a different type of drink. I'm in the kitchen. I walked in the kitchen. I'm going. Hey, excuse me. Excuse me. We ordered this is full on a so that we can optimize the experience. So full throttle for me is really big.

You are conquering on a vacation.

And on make it conquering. Suzanne is like, yes, it's 8 all day.

All the way.

All the way, all the way. I love it. I'll vacation with you guys any time, by the way. We want that.

We want that. Tasha, what about you? Because you also like a good a good vacay.

Yeah, I'm just getting into the vacation thing probably the last couple of years. But for me, I don't like .. what's as awesome to me is if there's a lot of plans. So I like my vacation to be loose, I need to have fun. I need to have activity at just the idea of going to a cabin and relax and like, that's not fun for me. That's not exciting for me. So I like where there's going to be activity, but not like a lot of adventurous activities. So like going down. You talking about the glass cabin? I'm like, well who does that? That, that's not fun to me. But like, if there's some type of activity like I would do as long as like I'm not going to die, you know, like if I feel like I'm going to die.

What's your threshold of thinking you are might going to die? Might be different than mine.

Yeah, yeah. My threshold. Like, I thought I was going to die on the horse in the Colorado mountains. I almost died there. So. So, yeah. So that's not, like, fun to me, but, like, riding a horse on the flat ground is, like, fun, you know? But not in the mountains, you know? I can do warm or a cool light cold. Like I went to the Bahamas last year. And so but it's all about the hotel. So what I have to do is book the trip, and then it gives me time to make up my decision about the hotel. So I have to book the trip, because if I don't book the trip, I may not go on the trip. So I like to travel with friends who can do the planning part and just tell me what to pay and when to show up. I don't even have to know all the details because I don't need to know every detail because I'll pick and choose what I want to do and what I don't want to do. So I don't have to know every detail. But I do like the social aspect, like I like to stay in a hotel that has activities. I like to shop and I like to find like, you know, good deals and stuff like that. So that's all fun for me when I do that. So I don't want to go. I'm not a mountain girl, glass house girl.

No mountains, no, no.

No more for Martha, oh my god.

No more. Shruthi, what about you?

Okay. So I love control and order, but when it comes to vacation, I just totally toss that ball into my husband's court. I remember when we first started dating, I said one night a week. I would really love it if you could plan our date night and just like, never ask me any questions because I feel like I plan so much of life. And he's kind of maintained that through marriage and on vacation. He is, we think he's a three, but he might be a seven and he's also an architect. And so the way he approaches vacation is like, we're going to go see art and we're going to go see incredible buildings. But also he follows the points guy religiously. So he's like, this credit card is going to give us the fourth night free at any Ritz-Carlton. So we're going to go big on vacation. And with kids, you know, you have to adjust and I'm not a road trip person because I feel like so much can go out of control on a road trip. But he planned this vacation last year where we like did a night in Fredericksburg, a night in Marfa, and then nine nights at a Ritz in Arizona. And then we drove back and did another night in Marfa. And it was just like the perfect mix of good food, good hotels, good art, just relaxing by the pool. You'll never catch me reading a book. So like proxy or reading on vacation. But I will be eating, I will be like calling my best friends and FaceTiming, just like I feel like I just really relax on vacation. Like I have no problem checking out of work. Last year I felt really overwhelmed with my blog and social media, and so I said, I'm going to be out of office for three months and y'all can catch me in September. And I just remember giving up that control for this three months of you know, whatever so I could focus on relaxing and my family. It was like it was so good and I think I needed the Enneagram to help me understand, you are obsessed with control and the more you release it like the more joy you tend to find around you. And so that's how I feel about vacation, like plan it for me. Here's my money. Make sure we have good food, good shows, good art, good architecture. But don't overload me because I will cry like I will actually cry if it's like planned from 9 to 10, I will leave. I'll catch that flight and go home.

But I'm not going to plan. Not going to plan.

No, no.

Well, thank you. And I'm glad you brought up work because we're going to transition to that after Suzanne shares her vacation.

Well, mine have changed a lot. We have four children. And so, when we were vacationing with children we went to the same place every summer and it was where I had gone as a child. And it's a dude ranch in Colorado and everybody could go do their own thing all day, which left me all day except for that one time. And this is a it's a story, but I kind of want to tell it. We had been at a church for nine years and in the Methodist church, your moved by the bishop. And everybody knew we were moving. And I, I'm not your typical pastor's wife, so vacation's real important to me to be away from all that and all those expectations. And ten, ten, ten families in our church decided to surprise us and show up at the same place for vacation. It was really terrible. It was really terrible.

And how did your two show up in that?

Well, I we had the most kids, so we had the biggest cabin. Everybody showed up at my. All the women came to my cabin in the morning for coffee, and by the time we got there, the other families had decided that we should eat dinner together every night and they were going to do a fish fry at my cabin on the last night. And I just did unhealthy to all the way through that meaning I martyred. I was just a martyr, but I learned that I need to vacation alone with people I don't know. Because I, you know, I know that none of us want to talk about what we do, probably when we're on vacation. The last thing I want to talk about is the Enneagram. Hmm. And that's what people want to talk about. So that that time, though, other than that year, in the years we did that with our children, it was really great. Really, really great because I ended up with alone time with each one of them because they would go do different things at different times. And our children are very different from one another. And so we needed variety. Vacation now for me is with Joe. I just adore him. And he pastors at a big church and has for a long time now and we know lots and lots of people and a lot of people know us. And, you know, I just kind of want to grab his butt every once in a while and have nobody see the pastor's wife doing unpastor wifely things because, y'all get ready for this, when I get to grab his butt, it's epic. And if we're on vacation alone and I can go from that to a lovely place where we're staying, then I can optimize our time together. So just in case, I think I'm not adaptable at 71. So here's what I would say. I don't care where we go. As long as I get time with him. I don't think I'll ever regret any of that time, regardless of where we were. Having said that, Italy kind of tops all of them. But I think it's because Joe's Italian. I'm adopted, you know, I have no idea what I am. Hmm. But when he's in Italy, there's just a part of him that comes alive. So we've been able to go four times, and we're looking at going again. And I'm really excited about that. And I would just add that I think each of your vacations aren't are not necessarily numbers specific, but they do express what your motivations are. And I think if we could get to a point where we understand that our Enneagram number has everything to do with motivation and nothing to do with behavior. It's why we do what we do that determines our Enneagram. So, you know, I'm not ever going to get enough of life with Joe and I like times when I don't have to share him with our children or our nine grandchildren or his parishioners or people who know him more.

Amen, A-men.

I love how Suzanne said that our numbers are determined by our motivations, not our behaviors. So while each of our vacations may look different, it may bring out our vacation versions of our numbers, it's comforting to remember that Enneagram is all about internal motivations, and that is actually where we can really grow. But one reason I wanted to talk about vacations is because we're doing this epic giveaway. We are doing an epic giveaway so you can go and experience your Enneagram vacation self. We are excited about this series because we are giving one winner two plane tickets and a Noonday travel bundle, which is a grand total of 1500 dollars in value. And we are announcing the winner next week, July 20th, with a last Enneagram episode in this little mini series. So head on over to my insta. Jessica Honegger two "g"s one "n" to enter. I cannot wait to see who wins. Our music for today's show is by my good friend Ellie Holcomb. And I'm Jessica Honegger. Until next time, let's take each other by the hand and keep going scared.